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pazu –

要讓所有人都懂書寫, 必先滅掉所有書寫系統; 要滅盲就先刺盲其他人;
要滅貧就先讓所有人都貧。

這是大思想, 大道理。

這其實是道家思想及共產運動的完美結合。

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Ian_Lee –

Suowei:

Please read an earlier thread which we have discussed this topic thoroughly:
http://www. /viewtopic.php?t=895

Why do I call your opinion subjective? Because you wrote that the simplified script is easier to
learn, read and write than the traditional script. But since obviously you are not brought up
learning both scripts, how can you tell? Isn’t that subjective?

As I wrote in the previous thread, cultural clout doesn’t depend on the size of the population.
Whichever script will become more dominant depends on the cultural clout of that certain place.

By the way, your constant citing of Singapore as an example is hardly appropriate since
Singapore’s Chinese language education has been completely halted for over 10 years under Lee Kuan
Yew’s policy.

Its population would love to do away completely with the Chinese language study if the government
hasn’t made a U-Turn on its policy recently.

Moreover, what do you mean the “younger” generation of Chinese will learn simplified script?

I have no doubt that all youths in Mainland will learn simplified script in school like you and
your parent did. But the youths in HK and Taiwan will still learn traditional script as I and my
parents did.

And of course, the 53,000 immigrants from Mainland that settle in HK annually who are mostly
children and youths, have to readjust in school by switching from the simplifed script to the
traditional script.

By the way, your stance on simplified script isn’t only defensive but over-zealous.

suowei –

Quote:

Whichever script will become more dominant depends on the cultural clout of that certain place.

Ian_Lee,

I refer to your statement read “whichever script will become more dominant depends on the
cultural clout of that certain place”. It is a description of the fact that exists in Hong Kong
& Taiwan. Why should I have a doubt about it? As I said in my poster dated 09 Apr 2004, if you
are more used to write in traditional Chinese, just be it, who can stop you! Whatever, either
simplified or tranditional script is still called CHINESE.

Secondly, I refer to the following statement read “Its population would love to do away
completely with the Chinese language study if the government hasn’t made a U-Turn on its policy
recently”. It’s your own assumption (being an example of your subjective opinion), isn’t it?
Otherwise, could you show us your sources or independent survey or Singapore official documents to
support your statement, please?

Finally, do you mean that only those who know how to write both scripts are eligible to speak on
this topic? Otherwise, he/she will be most likely to be not only defensive but over-zealous? If
the logic stands, may I know if you know how to write both scripts?

suowei –

Quote:

Is the point of this forum reaching a ‘common understanding’? IMHO, often it is the uncompromising
statement of strongly-held personal views that leads to a new understanding of some issues, not
some vague desire to be conciliatory all round. Even blatant point-scoring can lead to an
appreciation of things you may not have understood before.

Bathrobe,

Ha Ha, you are indeed a wiser speaker. Agree with you about this forum.

Perhaps we should all find some kinds of extreme positions, if any, so as to force other to
appreciate things they may not have understood before.

Ha Ha Ha Ha ……

suowei –

Quote:

要讓所有人都懂書寫, 必先滅掉所有書寫系統; 要滅盲就先刺盲其他人;
要滅貧就先讓所有人都貧。
這是大思想, 大道理。
這其實是道家思想及共產運動的完美結合。

Pazu,

You are the biggest joker I’ve never met.
BTW, do you know how to write?
If so, how you write?
Do you always bring needles along?

suowei –

Quote:

Reading speed is definitely not a problem. however, I tend to agree that some strokes are really
unnecessary and could be simplified for everyday use.

Quest,

Yes, you are right. It doesn’t always affect the reading speed.

But some characters are quite similar and it takes slightly longer seconds to recognize them. For
example, for these two tranditional Chinese characters 麤虣, how long will take you to recognize
them? The clock says. I wish to tell you, the first character is quite commonly used.

skylee –

Quote:

麤虣

Pardon my ignorance. But I don’t know these two characters and didn’t know that the first one was
quite commonly used. Would you tell me their pronunciations, meanings and usage please?

nnt –

麤 = variant of 粗 cu1
虣 bao4 means 暴 but it doesn’t seem that those two characters are variant
Anyway 麤虣 and 粗暴 are synonyms

skylee –

thanks a lot, nnt (actually I have good dictionaries ).

Quote:

Originally Posted by suowei

I wish to tell you, the first character is quite commonly used.

How common, suowei?

bathrobe –

Quote:

麤…is quite commonly used

If it’s so commonly used, how come skylee’s never heard of it? And she’s from that stronghold of
traditional characters, Hongkong! I don’t think I’ve ever seen it, but I’m not Chinese, so I don’t
count.

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